Jbee.

Ezkekiel is fiction. You believe in fiction. I believe in Spiderman and Tom Sawyer.

On the contrary Hamletresident, I am just fine. But I must confess, my cable and TV is gone, did not like was on it so I resorted to the old fashioned entertainment, reading for myself. I no longer accept what the media wants me to believe (nor anyone else for that matter). This is something many more of you need to do, turn of the TV and open up some real books. But anyways, I will not blog to you, since you will not challenge anything that I stated with stronger evidence than what I presented. I will blog to SHARKEE, he is the only one that is challenging my mind with something besides what is the word, NOTHING. So when you see a blog with my name at the top, and it infuriates you, just close your eyes, it will be for sharkee anyway, not you. Have a wonderful evening.

Well your partly correct sharkee, in Ezekiel, chapter 26, the beginning verses predict the Babylonians under King Nebuchadnezer to destroy the Mainland, which he did afteer about 13 or so year seige. He destroyed the mainland city and built. The last part predicts the Islee of Tyre to be destroyed. He never predicted that to be done by King Nebuchadnezer. But the predictions to the Jews, did in fact happen to the Jews. I sure am not living in Israel, theJews were after about 1900 years restored back into a nation. THat land was given back to them in 1948, not that long ago. This is something that they always believed would happen, since Ezekial prophecied it. This is why the Jews were so easily found after that long, most nations of people,when separated for that long, just disappear. But I enjoy the blogs, thanks Sharkee.

JBee,

You switched topics when you wrote about the prophesies of Ezekiel as proof of the Bible's accuracy. That's cool; I know Ezekiel.

First, you should know that Ezekiel's prophesy's were directed to the Jews of his time. He wanted Israel/the Jews to turn back to God, and warned of bad things that would happen if they didn't. He did not intend to predict things that would happen thousands of years in the future. In short, he was speaking to them: he was not speaking to us.

Second, Ezekial was wrong in at least one of his prophesies. He prophesized (prophesied) that the island city, Tyre, would be destroyed and that it would not be rebuilt. Neberkenezer, who was the king of Babylon during Ezekial's time, tried to destroy Tyre but failed. Of course, you'd argue that when Tyre was later destryed by Alexander the Great and that the prophesy was fulfilled. You'd be wrong for two reasons. Again, Ezekial was speaking to the people of his own time. He was refering to the Babylonian king, not Alexander. And Tyre was rebuilt after its destruction by Alexander.

So, while I think Ezekial was a great prophet who warned his people to turn back to their God, I'm not worrieed about his prophesies coming true in these times. Sorry.

Jbee just what is your problem, Do you have a broken leg, is your tv broke, was your cable cut off, did you wife leave you for someone with some brains? No normal person blogs to the same blog site 17 times with the same old bs unless they are desperate?

TogetherWeCanStopTheRichmondCountyGOPKKK

How correct you are, I would never try and use ignorance to debate a point. I would always try and use a documented fact, and entire quote, or at least a statement that the average person would know and accept.

That being said, I am glad that I am a "bad christian", since you state that the good ones only bring this evil to the table.

I am not sure if this is what you want but here is some Historical proof. A man named Ezekiel was being held captive with Jewish exiles in the kingdom of Babylon. Ezekiel, who was a prophet of God, was not liked by the Jewish people. Ezekiel predicted the destruction of Jerusalem which occurred around 586 BC. From that time on his prophetic writings respected by the Jewish people, eventually they believed what he had been saying. He wrote other prophecies, the one I will make reference to is the one in Ezekiel chapter 37. This prophecy shows that the Jewish people would be dispersed over the whole world and be beaten down to the point where they felt they would never be a nation again. God would join the lands of "old Judah" and "old Israel" into what we presently call Israel. This land of Israel would be one land in God's hand. Then that the Jewish people would return from over the whole world back to their own land, and God would make them one nation.

This prophecy came to pass just as God said it would. The prophecy is marked by the characteristics of proof you'd expect from God in an event of greatness. Simply put: the Jews being dispersed over the entire world, for over 1900 years, the land being joined from 2 separate nations, and the Jews to return to the land which is spoken Israel became a nation again in 1948, and the prophet Ezekiel giving credit to God.

I did not want to go with prophecy that was fulfilled before the 1600’s when the King James Version of the Bible was printed. Because you would have said the scholars only wrote it in afterwards. There is no way the scholars interpreted the Bible, could have known what God was going to do. God told it, man wrote it, and God did what he said he would do.

This would be considered a historical proof, since it was historically accurate, it was of divine origin, and was divinely fulfilled.

Why do people choose to quote the bible to prove a point when it is full of contradictions? The bible was written by man, therefore it is flawed. However people choose to follow it word for word, which is impossible. Christians should think more like Buddhists. Buddhists do not worship Buddha or think of him as a divine spirit. He was simply a man who found peace and happiness and chose to teach others his path. Jesus was nothing more than an ancient motivational speaker.

On the same note, for historical proof. In Zechariah 12:2-3, Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

God says Jerusalem would become a burdensome stone to all the nations. Currently 3 religions hold Jerusalem as their capital. Right now the Palestinians may go to war over Jerusalem building on the remaining tract of land surrounding their hoped for capital. Israel has said that it will keep the city as its capital and will hold the rights to it. Everyone now is waiting to see what happens.

If this is not going now, then why would we be seeing it in the news and on blogs currently? This was also never dreamed of by the interpreters of the KJV Bible.

ONLY God knew the whole world history BEFORE it happened.

Why is it that if you are not a christian you are an atheist? The definition of 'atheist' has nothing to do with christianity. Yet numerous times jtill has stated that he believes in a 'god' and he is called an atheist.

atheist–noun

a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Also, christianity has this neat little loophole built in that anything that questions YOUR religion is the work of the devil or that it is 'god' testing our fate.

The bible is a neat little fairy tale and I admit it teaches some great life lessons but how can an intelligent person believe that there is this big man in the sky and little guy in a red suit below us. It is almost like believing in Santa Claus, only difference is that ol Saint Nick actually existed.

Jtilley,

why on earth would you need historical proof?

To quote you in a previous post

"I believe in 'God', if that is what you want to call Him. The wonder of the universe is too immense to contemplate that the world was created on a whim, a one in a billion shot. There was a hand in the making of this universe, but would I call it divine?"

Historically, however, there is I dont even want to begin to imagine all of the Historical writing passed down from thousands of years ago, even written on walls of caves, that speak of a God. I mean, what exactly are you asking for?

This argument should have stopped with the letter. Mr. Tilley You cannot argue with ignorance it will provoke nothing that is christian-like, only the evil that these 'good christian' always bring to the table.

Jbee - You wrote 'Or would you be making reference to people who just write anything, and cannot support it with any type of historical proofs, just their own personal wishes and desires???'

Isn't that what every 'Christian' does every day?

You have historical proof of God? Wow, please share that with us.

When you say illiterates, I suppose, from the definition of illiterate, you would be the ones that are leaving out important words and sentences of quotes, in order to misrepresent facts??? Or would you be refering to the ones that dont realize that they are using half quotes??? Or would you be making reference to people who just write anything, and cannot support it with any type of historical proofs, just their own personal wishes and desires???

Arguing with some of these illiterates is like playing chess with a Down's Syndrome victim.

Hamlet, sometimes you show flashes of intelligence, and other times you just go off on wild rant (example MF salad?). Please stick to the topic of discussion.

'Just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in.' Sorry, couldn't help myself.

JBee - When I said I was done, I wasn't throwing in the towel admitting you won or you were right. I was just saying that I would have more thought provoking conversation with a tree stump; at least the stump might open its ears to hear what I have to say.

You cannot use rational thought and logic to argue for religion, because religion is by its nature irrational and illogical. Religion is the belief in the supernatural; it's dressed-up witchcraft. Your rational mind tells you that people cannot return from the dead, but your religion tells you it is so. Your mind knows that it is illogical to believe that people can control water and feed millions of people on one anchovy, but your religion says it is so. The Founding Fathers were Deists, of that I have no doubt. I've seen all the evidence I need to know that. Six quotes from Thomas Jefferson and a turkey sandwich make for a great lunch, but the evidence in support of Deism far outweighs the other.

Ok seriously this time, I'm done. This was fun though, I'll have to write more letters to the editor soon. At least we're paying the Journal's web bill running up all these hits. Good debate people, I enjoyed it.

Hamlet, I just like to pull your chain, nothing personal, Im just passing time.

Osama, I believe in the teachings of Jesus. Frankly I am a little confused here as to who is the Atheist and who is the Christian. Take you for example; I have never seen any indication of Christian values in your blogs! You have called some of the bloggers on this web site Atheist. Would Jesus do that? I believe Jesus treated everyone with respect. I have Christian friends,Jewish friends, Moslem friends and Atheist friends. I have called a few bloggers morons myself but not while I was trying to defend or set Christian Values, which seems to be what you are tring to do, in your own twisted distorted way. I have questioned whether some of you are familiar with the life of Jesus. I will tell you Osama the same thing I told a co-worker one day a work. She had used the MF word at least 30 times before we went to lunch. At lunch she bowed her head and commenced to pray over her salad before she started eating. I looked her straight in the eye and ask her if whe had said "Thank you Jesus for the MFing salad"?

Sharkee, I agree with you 100 percent. The founding fathers did want freedom of religion. This is why as Jefferson stated that Jesus Christ was not put in the preamble. He stated he wanted everyone to feel free to worship as they choose. If Jesus Christ would have been added, then, guess what, just as he stated the muslems, and hindus, and jews would not have had the same protection as the christian. I have never knocked anyone for that, I do however feel that if one is worship how they choose, then legislature should not pass laws saying the 10 commandments cannot be posted in public buildings. I see satanic worship symbols all over the place, but do I gripe, no, I choose not to look at anything that offends me. Again read what he wrote, he is saying that it was written with Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion. Now, when you write our, that means that you are including yourself, other wise, Jefferson would have said something like, some of the fools wanted Jesus Christ in their, but I was against it because he is a fictional character. He did not, he said "our religion" So he must have thought that Jesus Christ was the auther of his religion as well. So you need not question my reading comprehension. I understand just fine, so tellm e honestly sharkee would you have, if you were in his shoes, believing the way you believe, or should I say not believing, would you have writtin in your papers "OUR religion"? Of course not your never have in any posts before, you alway put you christians, or things like that, you never include yourself. I believe in freedom of religion as well, we have different beliefs, however, I enjoy posting with you, learning from one another. It makes us both better people, dont you think?